tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1169281096117913024.post824067227819284094..comments2024-03-27T04:14:38.477-05:00Comments on crAAKKer: Shaun Deeb Should Play Gay ... Bingo!Grange95http://www.blogger.com/profile/01857460215043659894noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1169281096117913024.post-59002987027802948002010-06-25T15:07:36.138-05:002010-06-25T15:07:36.138-05:00Here's the link to the Poker News story. I th...Here's the link to the Poker News <a href="http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting/2010-wsop/event-22/day1/post.147559.htm" rel="nofollow">story</a>. I think Poker News is a credible source, particularly for live reporting from the WSOP. Your mileage may vary. Note that Deeb did <i>not</i> make any statement about gender equality at that point, nor did he say that the prop bet was limited to playing in drag.<br /><br />As for Deeb's video, that was self-serving <i>post hoc</i> rationalization at its finest, which I did not find particularly credible (again, YMMV). Deeb's claim that his motivation for playing was the promotion of gender equality would have a little more weight if there was any corroborating evidence, such as a statement to the press (Poker News certainly talked to him), a posting on a blog or a poker forum like 2+2, or a letter or email to the WSOP player's committee or WSOP organizers. Deeb's claim is also directly undermined by the admission that, at a minimum, he lost a prop bet about wearing drag. That bet demonstrates his true attitude about the event (it was a joke to him and his friends), and belies his claim that he was only entering the event to make some grand statement about gender equality.<br /><br />Again, this episode is a minor kerfuffle, a joke gone awry, and doesn't mean Deeb is a bad guy. Heck, in a way, he seems to have learned a lot from the event and the resulting reaction (and overreaction). But there's no evidence that Deeb did this stunt to make some grand gender equality statement.<br /><br />And with that, I appear to have beaten another zombie equine into undeath.Grange95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01857460215043659894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1169281096117913024.post-20175425840070445962010-06-25T04:05:06.885-05:002010-06-25T04:05:06.885-05:00Don't always belive what you read in the poker...Don't always belive what you read in the poker press. Shaun did not enter the event because of a prop bet, the prop bet was only to wear drag in the event, but not to play in the event. The prop bet was made after he was already committed to playing. He bought his way out of the prop bet at significant cost once he realized that people were offended, this is all discussed in the video he released.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1169281096117913024.post-9763270732305258532010-06-24T19:00:46.051-05:002010-06-24T19:00:46.051-05:00@ Anon (6/24/10): As I mentioned in my prior post...@ Anon (6/24/10): As I mentioned in my <a href="http://craakker.blogspot.com/2010/06/wsop-ladies-eventa-modest-proposal.html" rel="nofollow">prior post</a>, Deeb admitted to Poker News that he entered the Ladies Event <i>because he lost a prop bet</i>. Deeb was <i>not</i> entering to make any grand statement of protest. In fact, he thought that playing in drag in the Ladies Event was an appropriate butt to a joke among friends. It was only after he began to play and realized some of the women players did not find his presence amusing that he changed his tune and began to trumpet his gender equality tune.<br /><br />Now, I’m not saying that Deeb is a bad person, or that he is anti-women in poker. Good folks do stupid and insensitive stuff all the time. I’m willing to believe that Deeb is a decent fellow who just got caught up in what was meant to be a harmless prank gone awry. I’m also willing to believe Deeb truly wants to promote gender equality in poker. But, let’s not lose sight that his true motivation for entering the Ladies Event was not so pure, which is why IMHO he has earned a certain amount of mocking.<br /><br />As for the underlying issues of whether men entering the Ladies Event is an appropriate form of protest for perceived inequality, and whether holding the Ladies Event is an appropriate part of the WSOP, those are zombie equines I have beaten to undeath in my three posts on women in poker in general and the Ladies Event controversy in particular. But, I do believe that a lot of people on all sides (pro-event, anti-event, Harrah's ...) have overreacted to what is really not a major issue. Thankfully, I think in 5-10 years, this event will wither and disappear on its own as women become a bigger part of the poker world.Grange95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01857460215043659894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1169281096117913024.post-49999600548748378602010-06-24T17:29:13.438-05:002010-06-24T17:29:13.438-05:00I know your post is to be taken in jest, but I thi...I know your post is to be taken in jest, but I think this needs to be said.<br /><br />Straight men can play in the Gay Bingo night, it is an inclusive opportunity that is marketed towards primarily gay men but all people of all walks of life are invited. Shaun never said that ladies should not be marketed to, on the contrary - he is encouraging the marketing of poker to ladies, he wants to encourage ladies to cross the imaginary barriers and to take a bigger role in poker tournaments. He is pro ladies poker organisations, in fact two of the ladies tour leaders approached him to give him support because they agree that segregation is the wrong approach - empowerment is the goal.<br /><br />A few years from now Shaun will be a hated person by some, and a beloved person by others because he helped shake the tree, and in turn brought about greater equality in poker. His methods may have been wrong (dressing in drag and not putting out a press release in advance explaining his thoughts was a huge mistake) but his intentions were good - including offering to give a large portion of any prize pool winnings to women's charities so cut him some slack! In the end all he (and the other men who played) did was make the prize pool bigger for the actual winners, anyone who looks an extra $13,000 of equity in the face and says they don't want it because it comes from a man is being silly.<br /><br />Next year I predict 50-75 men will enter. Within 3 years I predict that the event's marketing will be morphed greatly to promote female empowerment - but not segregation; and in turn more and more women will make the jump into the mainstream fields - a win-win for everyone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1169281096117913024.post-61958886766486585672010-06-24T00:30:40.846-05:002010-06-24T00:30:40.846-05:00bleu cheese mashed potatos - I have to say, that s...bleu cheese mashed potatos - I have to say, that sounds pretty damned yummy right about now.craftyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12092073053793715234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1169281096117913024.post-67939759032795008952010-06-23T20:06:29.367-05:002010-06-23T20:06:29.367-05:00@ MemphisMojo: You realize that the guy in the mo...@ MemphisMojo: You realize that the guy in the motorcycle outfit is the very gay Rob Halford, former lead singer for Judas Priest?<br /><br />@ Conan776: Who knew granny was a felon?<br /><br />@ Gary/Jew Boy: You don't know how degenerate Iowa life is until you've had a BBQ pork loin, Maytag bleu cheese mashed potatos, and fresh corn on the cob ... Almost makes me miss Nebraska!Grange95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01857460215043659894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1169281096117913024.post-13278244860239397462010-06-23T17:39:17.918-05:002010-06-23T17:39:17.918-05:00I'm voting for the He-Man outifitI'm voting for the He-Man outifitNoLimitDochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11519520473050502817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1169281096117913024.post-22898121012305956382010-06-23T08:08:59.928-05:002010-06-23T08:08:59.928-05:00I attribute it to being in Iowa. All those field ...I attribute it to being in Iowa. All those field of cattle doing what steers do on their way to the final privacy of the feed lot.<br /><br />My religious right group is lobbying for higher and solid fences to protect our youth from bovine tendencies. Obama seems ready to sign on as a part of his jobs program.KenPhttp://www.pokerperambulation.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1169281096117913024.post-67341696442186977392010-06-23T06:53:45.425-05:002010-06-23T06:53:45.425-05:00Count me in as a supporterCount me in as a supporterMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17190937282558817928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1169281096117913024.post-80765655190814791002010-06-23T02:15:47.677-05:002010-06-23T02:15:47.677-05:00And, by the way, Bingo is serious bizness!And, by the way, <a href="http://www.ezgameimo.com/2010/04/bingo-is-serious-bizness.html" rel="nofollow">Bingo is serious bizness</a>!Conan776https://www.blogger.com/profile/00017422999431387978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1169281096117913024.post-87885791697602829272010-06-23T01:23:16.863-05:002010-06-23T01:23:16.863-05:00YGOS? Oh sorry, right. Reading comprehension, FTW,...YGOS? Oh sorry, right. Reading comprehension, FTW, Conan!Conan776https://www.blogger.com/profile/00017422999431387978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1169281096117913024.post-16401935897993352812010-06-22T22:53:26.320-05:002010-06-22T22:53:26.320-05:00Gay bingo? They're not there to play bingo, bu...Gay bingo? They're not there to play bingo, but to mingle - why not?Wolynskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04428782184898610640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1169281096117913024.post-71880880665118019212010-06-22T21:35:51.926-05:002010-06-22T21:35:51.926-05:00I want to see him in the motorcycle outfit.I want to see him in the motorcycle outfit.Memphis MOJOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12653631347560307425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1169281096117913024.post-13129351272211439562010-06-22T21:19:24.524-05:002010-06-22T21:19:24.524-05:00You have no right to comment on this as long as yo...You have no right to comment on this as long as you live your degenerate lifestyle - that is, living in Iowa.<br /><br />FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT MY GAY BROTHER!!<br /><br />Your straight buddy,<br />-Gary aka Jew Boy aka the Crafty Southpawcraftyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12092073053793715234noreply@blogger.com